Too Many Clothes. Desert Fires. Bushcraft for Young People. Bush Music | #AskPaulKirtley 67

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Welcome to Episode 67 of #AskPaulKirtley, where I answer questions about too many layers, whether Bushcraft an appropriate hobby for a 12-year-old, ideas for teaching simple bushcraft and camping skills to young people indoors during the winter, fires in deserts when you only have twigs, my choice of music for the bush.

TIMESTAMPS:

03:15 Too many layers?

10:00 Is Bushcraft an appropriate hobby for a 12-year-old?

15:25 Teaching simple bushcraft and camping skills to young people indoors during the winter…

23:25 Fires in deserts when you only have twigs.

27:03 Music for the bush.

LINKS:

Winter wilderness clothing 1

http://paulkirtley.co.uk/2011/winter-clothing-northern-wilderness-layers/

Winter wilderness clothing 2

http://paulkirtley.co.uk/2011/winter-clothing-northern-wilderness-extremities/

Knife safety for children

http://paulkirtley.co.uk/2011/bushcraft-knife-safety-for-children/

Bushcraft Knife Safety (generally, including adults)

http://frontierbushcraft.com/2013/04/16/bushcraft-knife-safety/

BOOKS Mentioned In This Episode:

Outdoor Survival Skills by Larry Dean Olsen - http://amzn.to/2FKM8Hw

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in this episode of a sport curtly we are going to talk about wearing too many layers is bushcraft an appropriate hobby for 12 year old what to teach at indoor sessions for young people fires in deserts and music for the bush welcome welcome to episode 67 of a sport curtly and the observant among you will tell that I have not how doors today you can probably hear it on the audio as well if you're just listening on the podcast I am in my office in my study just getting ready for a trip and you can keep an eye out for more on that on my blog and on my youtube channel in the coming weeks I'll give you a clue though I'll give you a clue hold on okay there's the first clue if you're watching you're gonna see it if you're listening you can have to find the video I'm sorry second clue

third clue there you go and I know some of you like this sort of thing I have been preparing my kit as you can see I don't think my video camera wants to focus on that particularly well but yes all the kit has been cleaned sharpened polished treated greased waxed etc etc so um I'm not gonna sit here in my office wearing these things well this is quite fetching this is quite fetching but I'm gonna take it off anyway hold that right back again that's more comfortable have helped hold of that on but that will certainly be useful to me where I'm going it'll be the protection that I need and as I say check my blog and my youtube channel in the coming weeks for more on that okay so without further ado let's get on with today's questions I've got my camera here but I've got my computer screen there and that's why I've got the questions today rather than my phone as I normally have it so first question is about layers and this is from Ralph and he asks hi mr. curtly I remember most chants key once claiming that you can overdo layering your clothes by wearing more than five layers for insulative purposes he sadly failed to explain this phenomenon in detail Oh could you please help me out in this many thanks in advance warm regards Ralph and yes I know some people pronounce it Kochanski some people pronounce it kahan Suki and I'm never quite sure can ski probably but I have met Moors but I just called him moss I didn't call him mr. Cohan ski the question about layers I exactly what what Moors is referring to he may be referring to the fact that it's difficult to manage your temperature if you have too many layers on certainly I know from operating in really cold temperatures if you get your layering right

I can't think I've ever really worn five layers the most I've ever really worn while moving around is you know having a thin merino base layer on than having a thicker you know sort of a 200 gram or 40 top or something and I know I can never pronounce that wool power that's why they changed it so that those of us that are not Swedish can pronounce it so tuned to gram per square metre wool power top so I tend to wear a thin ice breaker or similar and then a will power 200 gram per square meter on top of that that's what I wear and a lot at the time with a shell over the top if you're operating if you're hauling a sled or digging or chopping that's all you need and then I tend to carry a 400 gram wool power to put over that if it's really really cold or if I'm if I'm stationary or just you know sitting around in the tent in the evening if it's not that warm in the tent yet that's something that I wear and take on and off and I also tend to take a mother ship jacket which is a big jacket that goes over the top of anything that I'm wearing at the time so I don't have to take layers off and I typically just use in the northern forests I typically just use an old Swedish m90 mountain Parker I think they're called and but the longer you can get them for about 25 pounds secondhand and they're no surplus and they're excellent that was something I learned from from Lars fault when I worked with him he always had one of those that he just chucked on over the top for riding a snow machine or just standing around while students were building Quincy's or something and he was directing things it's just a good thing to throw in over the top and I have one of those and so that's the most I you know I will maybe have five layers on if I had the the thinnest wall the 200 and the 400 the 400 be unusual if I've been doing anything active and a shell a windproof like the sort of thing I was just wearing and then a mothership but that I'm not gonna be doing anything with with that on that's very sort of stationary aspect and yeah if you were trying to operate with all of those layers on that would be too many layers you would get too hot you wouldn't be able to ventilate properly and you wouldn't be able to regulate your temperature so it's possible that that's what mores are talking about if you've got your layers right yeah if you've got good quality layers now if I had five layers of cotton on I'd probably cold but if you've got good layers a good proper layering system you're not going to be wearing all five at the same time under normal circumstances it is too much and then the other thing he might be referring to is simply that if the layers are good and they are the right sort of thickness they're going to be restrictive you know you you can't move around properly and that's what you just like the Michelin Man that's another thing and then the other thing that might be a consideration and again this might be what he's referring to and it's certainly something that you do need to be concerned about is that layers work by air being trapped in them and if you try and put too many things on you tend to squeeze the air out of them particularly if the lower layers get squashed that's why I tend to wear wall lower down and if I want to chuck something over the top it tends to be like a synthetic Duva jacket or a Down duvet jacket but I don't like putting those type of insulated layers and then putting something you know tighter or heavier over the top because you just squash it down it's like trying to sleep in two sleeping bags and when one doesn't really fit inside the other one very well all that happens is that the loft of one of them gets squashed down and you don't get a huge amount of benefit from it and so that could also be the issue that Knorr is referring to or he could be referring to all of those things because they are all valid considerations that if your layers are good you're going to get too hot with five layers on if you're if your layers are not good they might still be restrictive because they're going to be thick and that's going to hinder your ability to to function and then also putting layers on in to greater combination is just going to stop some of them working effectively potentially so all of those things are valid comments so hopefully those things are useful to you I do have some articles not videos articles on my blog regarding the sort of clothing that I wear in cold conditions in the winter and I will link to those below this video and also I do aim to try and produce a few more things because my systems changed a little bit over the years the principles are the same but I found different garments sometimes and I'll get hung up on particular garments rather than trying to learn the principles the principles are sound in everything that's on my blog and videos nothing has changed there but over time you find a new piece of equipment that smoke I was just wearing was a custom-made smock that I now use rather than their own a jacket that I used to wear the artist sanyukta which is which wore out and it felt you know it's pretty much falling to pieces it's such a good jacket I wore it so much but I needed to get something new and I got a custom-made smock that I use now in the northern forests so things do change over time but the principles that the layering principles the clothing principles the boot principles at hand wear principles they're all the same anyway let's move on it is bushcraft and appropriate hobby for a 12 year old and this is from Derek and it's a voice mail let's see if we can get this to work I just wanted to know when do you think that bullsh-- craft is an appropriate hobby from a twelve-year-old just wondering

well thank you for that Derrick thank you for stepping up and asking a question and being brave enough to leave a voicemail as well a lot of adults won't do that so well done and yes in short I think bushcraft is an entirely Pro and appropriate a hobby or pastime or passion however far you want to take it for twelve-year-old and as you move into your teenage years absolutely I think that's a great time to be learning skills learning about nature you're very good at learning when you're at that age when you're in your teens you'd still able to take on board a lot of information quickly so it's a great time to be developing knowledge and developing skills try and get as much experience as you can try and read as much as you can on the subject read stories of adventurers and stories of exploration Lietz read stories of the frontiers read some good bushcraft manuals learn some things from from the Internet of course please read my blog and find things there and there's other good stuff do be careful with cutting tools make sure you're being safe I remember when I was a kid from about 10 years old 9 or 10 years old I had a Swiss Army knife and then I had other knives and I have to say I have the scars to to prove it number of bad cuts mainly on my left hand because I'm right-handed and you end up sticking it places so do be careful but don't be frightened do be careful there's some good articles on my site that have been written by myself and EMA Hampton did a good article as well on knife safety that's all valid and relevant and you follow those articles if you're not silly with a knife or any other cutting tool you're using you're going to learn how to use it well and if you can find some people who are a bit older that are able to help you as well that's always good for people to show you things

and yet learn as much as you can and if even if nobody else that you know even if none of your friends are interested in bushcraft if nobody at school that you know is particularly interested in bushcraft I remember when I was at school I was interested it was more survival skills back in those days as you've probably heard me talk about before my dad bought me lofty Wiseman's SES survival handbook when I was 13 because I was very interested like you at that age I was very very interested in all of those skills and my dad bought me that book and I had a couple of friends who were interested in those type of activities outdoors you know making shelters and dens and you know we like knives and you know it's just that that kind of boyhood stuff and we played outside but most of our friends at school thought we were weird thought we were odd they all lived more in town we lived out in a village that was a few miles out of town and it was just a small market town but even that difference made a difference and they thought we were a bit odd yet but that that passion has stayed with me through my life that some of those experiences that I had even at that age are valuable to me now you know 30 odd years later some of the things I learned when I was 12 13 14 15 are still really valuable to me now and it started to form a foundation of experience in the outdoors that you can't replicate you can't replicate it later you can't certainly decide you're interested in bushcraft at 45 and have that same level of experience that you have just by regularly going outside since you were 12 you just can't so and whoever supports you or doesn't support you I would say it's entirely appropriate you've got my support and you've got the support of everyone else who reads my blog and listens to my podcasts I'm sure so yes Derek it's an entirely appropriate hobby and you will learn a lot about yourself and you will learn a lot about the real world nature and what's out there and how you interact with difficulty sometimes as well and that's always as a life skill it's not just about bushcraft and survival coming up against frustrations and things that are difficult is is a really good thing for anybody to have experience of good stuff if you got further questions as well Derek as you learn just keep in touch and drop me a line this is from Myles and his question is hey Paul I'd like to ask you a question about teaching simple bushcraft and camping skills to children and teenagers please I'm based in Leicestershire and I'm a leader with my local Boys Brigade we want to introduce our members to basic bushcraft and camping skills during the winter months we are limited to the indoors on the night that we meet and can only go camping a few times a year due to time and money excuse me although in the summer months it does become easier to go outside more often the members that we want to teach these skills to are between 10 and 18 years old given all of this how and what should we be teaching them thank you for your time and look forward to hearing your suggestions Cheers miles and well one thing just to mention while it's still in my mind recently in the comments regarding scouting skills it was a couple of episodes ago somebody helpfully made some suggestions about what they teach on indoor sessions and that that could be useful I think that was episode 62 let me just have a quick look

I think it was episode 62 yes somebody to ask the question about the difference was differences between traditional scouting and modern bushcraft and we talked about wood craft skills and camping skills and bushcraft skills in context of scouting and someone that's under the name of castle gave an answer about some of the things the way that he thinks about teaching Scouts and and associated you know beavers and whatnot so that was that that might be something useful but I think generally having had some input to various scout groups and you know Scout leaders who come on courses or ask me questions in the past about similar questions you know there's lots of things that you can do indoors not one of them knots can be a bit dry so trying to give them a bit of context can be helpful but not a definitely one that can be that can be done you can teach about natural navigation and in some ways some aspects of teaching about that is easier if you've got a white board or a flip chart or something you can draw pictures on and show and then in the winter if you can take us to eat know if you haven't got too much light pollution if you can step outside on a clear night if that's possible just outside the building and have a look at the sky and that can consolidate what you've been what you've been teaching and and talking about you can look at maps and understand what maps are telling you in terms of learning navigation so learn to understand what contour lines are and you can build models of a map so you've got a two dimensional map you can build using what you've got around you you can build three-dimensional models of the landscape and look at scales and all of those sorts of things understanding contour lines and scales and direction and grid squares and the National grid system and all of those things could be taught indoors you can teach people how to pack rucksack so remember that was something that I was taught and by venturi I think some venture Scouts and from our from the Scout hut that we operated in just gouts took sessions on how they packed rucksacks for trips they were doing so they brought their rucksacks in they brought them in with all of the things that they had they laid it all out they explained what the different things were for and why they took them and then they showed how to pack you know including making sure things are waterproof making sure the rucksacks balance so heavy things weren't further away from the back and all of those sort of good things about packing a rucksack that can all be done you can teach people about boot care foot care you can teach kids about a lot of theory around fire lighting I know you can't do it inside but again you can teach people about the fire triangle and different sizes of fuel you can even bring those things in you can say well this is fine kindling this is this this and this and this you can teach people about knife safety there's lots of things that you can do inside if you've got a kind of village hall Scout hut type building where you know you're forced to be inside in the winter months because of where you are because of the lack of light but there's there's lots and lots and lots of things that you can that you can do including and all of those and I'm sure some other things will come to mind afterwards but yeah and then also if you are going camping in the summer get them involved in maybe planning some activities that you're going to do while you're there they could be planning menus and they could be planning what they're going to need in terms of resources that they're going to have to source when they're there and they could plan how to organize the camp they could even draw like little schematics of how they're going to organize things that's you know in ideally you know where's the kitchen going to be relative to where they're going to be camping and you know all of those sorts of things they can think about that sort of situational awareness so that when they get to the get to the site they've got an idea about how they how they're going to group things now of course you can have some oversight of that and that might be something that you've directed them in in the past but if you get them involved and they're gonna they're going to enjoy that they're gonna enjoy looking forward to going and also they're gonna be more engaged with what's going on on the ground as well so there's lots of ways you know just the sort of things that you know I'm about to go on a trip you know with a couple of colleagues who are also good friends of mine and we've been planning we've been looking at maps we've been looking at equipment we've been discussing what we're going to take how we're going to pack it and what we're going to need how we're going to sort the food out why not involve the young people in that as well if you if you're making trips it's the same it's the same thing and and if people have never been camping before it's as big as going on a bigger trip when you're older and more experienced so I would get them involved in that type of thing as well you know menu planning how much food do you need why do you need different types of food and hygiene water purification all of those things can be gone over in theory you can even bring jerrycans in you can bring water filters in you can bring Milbank bags in or brown bags to show them at least you might not be able to get them wet and you know have water flowing around in your building and in there in the room but you can show them different bits and pieces so you can you can talk them through and then when you're outside you can layer on another layer of practicality there's there's lots and lots of stuff you could do hopefully that gives you some ideas and if anybody else has got some ideas you know because I'm not a scout leader but there are plenty of people who follow this video and audio series and my blog in general who are and if they would like to leave any suggestions as to what they do with their Scout troops in the winter months in the dark days when they can't get outside please feel free to let rip in the comments below this on my blog or below this on YouTube as well for that matter I think it's easier for people to to read through on my blog but feel free whatever you find easiest all right next question just in the interest of time I need to keep going this is a question from Twitter Mitchel green asks what tips do you have for camping in the deserts in regards to fires as the largest fuel is twigs and well so we're working on the assumption a largest fuel you've got is twigs well you have to work on the basis of that assumption you can't magic larger fuel and you just have to work within the realms of the possibilities of what you've got available to you where you are it's the same wherever you go whether it's cold or hot now the thing about deserts is they can be quite cold at night and that's maybe why you want to have a fire in which case if you don't have the right sort of fuel to keep you warm overnight in a a cold overnight desert situation you have to make sure you've got the sleeping kit with you that's going to keep you warm overnight and also you need to think about considerations as to you know should you be sleeping on the ground are the scorpions are the snakes are there other things that you don't wanna be on the ground waves depending on whereabouts in the world you are cuz there are you know varied deserts in different parts of the world on every continent pretty much so that's one thing it's like well if you if you going to have to not rely on fire to stay warm you're going to need the equipment to stay warm that's just reality and then in terms of cooking and I think you can get quite a lot done even with small sticks if all you've got a twigs if you look at desert peoples and this is where I would be looking for example the Bedouins in the Sinai they managed to do an awful lot with very efficient use of fire whether it's making tea whether it's making bread in the embers and quick hot fires very efficient and you could look very much into the skill set that they have similarly desert peoples of the southern United States have similar skill sets in terms of making use of limited resources you know have a look in things like Larry Dean Olsen's book outdoor survival skills because again that's focus on that part of the world and see what you can do with those skills in the environment that you're thinking of I think you have to look to the indigenous skills because those people have already worked through that problem already but you also have the benefit of being a modern human in the 21st century that you've got access to lightweight equipment that even if your skills or your local knowledge and not up to it you can make up for it with the equipment until your skills and knowledge are up to it that would be my suggestion I have a listen to the podcast interview that I've done with Leon McCarran in episode 29 of my podcast

yeah episode 29 have a listen because he just did a thousand-mile walk through down through the West Bank Jordan into the Sinai and there are some comments there that are probably useful to you as well alright last question sorry that's all gone weird and squashed up Gary this is from Gary cross and Gary asks me and he isn't the only person to ever have asked me this it's kind of a you know take it as a as a multi multi part two joint question from a number of people this question is hi Paul great Channel thanks for sharing your knowledge with us anyway this may sound like an uncommon question it isn't you're not the only person who's asked me Gary um but what sort of music do you listen to heading off into the bush well I said that's an interesting one and I have quite diverse music tastes everything from sort of quite a serial ephemeral electronic music through indie through some aspects of pop through heavy rock and metal and all sorts of stuff I like I'm not a jazz as well I'm not I'm not a huge classical fan although I do you know there's a lot of things that are familiar you know like Vivaldi and Beethoven and Mozart and Brahms and vogner and you know all that kind of stuff that's you know you hear in a lot of places a lot of that I like I don't tend to listen to it a lot at home all on the move but you know I have a few bits and pieces in my in my collection but I generally tend to listen to more to more modern music what I listen to I don't tend it so why I'm sort of talking around this is I don't tend to listen to a lot of music while I'm out so you know even when I'm working courses which is in some ways different to if I'm making a trip myself so if I'm running a course where I'm teaching people I'll tend to read a little bit at the end of the day you know I'll go back to my top or my tent or TP or whatever I'm using and I'll just relax I'll get into my sleeping bag and I'll just read for a bit until I'm feeling drowsy that that tends to be my way of switching off and I don't really like listen like I like hearing the sounds around me while I'm out I don't like putting music on I don't like having a radio or music playing in camp I know some people like that I really don't like it that's just I'm not saying other people shouldn't like it but personally not that I have a problem with music generally I listen to music all the time when I'm working on my computer and writing I actually like to listen to music I like to listen to music while I'm writing has to be a certain type of music but if you read anything on my blog I might have written some notes while I'm out in the field but when I'm writing it into up into an article I'll tend to have some music on headphones sometimes on speakers in the house and that just helps me focus on what I'm doing but it needs to be kind of often without vocals often something that's relatively unintrusive if you like it you know not something that's going to cut across my attention but something that's more going to focus my attention and so that's that's when I listen so related to what I do I listen to music a lot then I also listen to music when I'm traveling so if I'm doing an overseas trip for example I will listen to music on the plane I don't really like watching movies on planes and I don't like watching things on really small screens I find that quite unengaging somehow I just find it too small

I can't watch movies on my phone for example I don't watch them even on a tablet I like to watch and stuff on a big screen where I guess most movies were meant to be shown on big screens weren't in a cinema or a big television so I don't tend to watch movie so I will listen to music and I listen to music on a pullet on a long plane journey I'll listen to music and I'll listen to podcasts and I'll read a bit and it's the same you know often when you're doing overseas trips and you're having to you know you haven't to get to an airport and then you have to get from an airport from a big town to a small town that might involve a long road journey or a rail journey again having some music for that is is good and I enjoy listening to whatever takes my fancy at the time while I'm on a train or while I'm on a bus or in the back of a minivan or what-have-you when we're going to out to a canoe Outfitters or something and but once I'm actually out in the bush I don't I don't really listen to anything I don't listen to podcasts really tend to listen to podcast when I'm again driving on journeys getting to somewhere but not when I'm actually there I like to

listen to what's going on around me and even even on a you know multi week trip where you know you're going back to the ten to the top every evening you've got some time to yourself I don't tend to even though I might have music on my phone or I might happen to have my I used to travel with an iPod quite a lot and then you know you've got it for the plane you've got it for the bus journey you've got it with you anyway I don't tend to listen to stuff in the tent again I prefer to read and become drowsy that way and then fall asleep and that that tends to be my routine so that doesn't really answer your question in a way because I don't really listen to music I tell you the other thing that's interesting is when I when I'm on a journey and it's more the case when I'm walking and cross-country skiing less so when I'm paddling but sometimes when I'm paddling if we're paddling on something that's fairly flat and fairly you know across a lake that's not too windy or choppy or doesn't require a huge amount of concentration you just get into a rhythm with the paddling I tend to find I get certain songs and it's never the same one twice usually it's just it might be something I was listening to on the way there it might be something I was listening to the previous week it might be something I was listening to I haven't listened to for months if not years but some of y'all coming to my head and then that song tends to stick in my head for a little while and you know when I'm walking that tends to be you know just going around in my head or when I'm paddling or when I'm skiing or what-have-you and so I guess I do listen to music in that sense but it it's internally generated you know it's a recording in my head of a part of a song or a chorus or or something so that that is a way that music I guess infiltrates my trips more than actually putting earphones in and listening to something so just insight into my into my brain the hell maybe not at all and that brings us to the end of this session as Booker T 67 a bit different I haven't done one from my study for a long time and I know last time people like though you're not outside you know a rail outdoors person well those of us that make big trips need time to plan things we need time to write things up from previous trips and sometimes we are in between trips where in between courses or trips with clients or personal trips we do spend some time inside and that's necessary you've got to like this put this trip of just we're just about to embark on it requires some planning it requires some preparation it requires everything to be packed and prepared properly and what I've decided is that even if I am doing that type of thing I'm going to sit down and record an episode of s book correctly because I want to get these out on a regular basis it was always my intention to get them out on a regular basis but you know life happens and I've really made a resolution this year in 2018 to get them out on a regular basis even if that means I'm recording them in a slightly unfamiliar territory or if I have to record a couple at the same time so that I can space them out so that you can get one every week I would really love to get to the end of 2018 with pretty much without fail you've had an episode of this every week because then you're getting value from this process the questions are coming in I just need to find the space to produce this so hopefully you don't mind too much that this one is from my little office space I know some of you like listening to the bird song and the babbling brook or whatever it is that I am for a particular episode or enjoy me seeing buzzards and kestrels and sometimes we get deer wandering past in the background or rabbits running around none of that this time but some hopefully that was still useful to you I really appreciate your attention let me know your thoughts thing that we've talked about today in the comments below this links to anything that I set out link to 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